The Legendary Pink Dots

"Sing While You May"

Interview by Aaron Ross (
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 ) and Christian Atrocity
during the Maria Dimension Tour (1991)

html version available online at http://www.dr-yo.com/dots.html


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We are The Legendary Pink Dots, and this is a serviette. We are not
here to serve you, but to get you. Yes, to get you. To change all
your petty, pretty, shitty preconceptions about life.

Do not expect entertainment! We do not jump through hoops for you!
You will not be spoon-fed, this is not a circus -- just accept that
your continued existence depends on your interpretation of this
message:

BELIEVE! Because we believe. But we are not telling you what we
believe in...

Sing while you may!

-- Edward Kaspel

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In a world oversaturated with meaningless information and assembly-line art,
The Legendary Pink Dots represent individuality laughing in the face of
oppression. They stand in opposition to the vampirism of contemporary pop
culture, in which artists and co nsumers alike are drained by media parasites.
No other band provides such an effective vaccine for the malignant cultural
viruses which plague us all.

Based in Amsterdam, the band is half English, half Dutch. After ten years of
relative obscurity, their peculiar form of psyber-shamanism has finally been
recognized by the American mainstream. Their latest release, The Maria
Dimension, is among t heir finest -- and its success may well inject
much-needed creativity into the stagnant gene pool of popular music.

The Pink Dots are the inheritors of Syd Barrett's artistic legacy. From a
panchromatic sound palette, they generate iridescent psychedelic visions --
like Tibetan thangkas painted on crushed velvet. Each song is a universe in
itself, populated with peacef ul or wrathful beings. As the title implies, The
Maria Dimension is primarily an invocation of The Goddess in her various
avatars.

Effecting the individual on mental, physical, and emotional levels, this music
is a holistic experience. The Dots induce trance states, synaesthesia, and
emotional resonances without compromising one's intellect -- a remarkable
achievement. There is a phi losophical and psycho-spiritual element to the
lyrics which shines like gold, even from the pit of insanity and existential
despair.

Edward Kaspel, lead singer and lyricist for the Legendary Pink Dots, spoke with
Christian Atrocity and myself in Los Angeles. [December 1991.] Competing for
Edward's precious time were various drug casualties, Ho llywood scenesters, and
clueless artist wannabes. We clocked in just under 30 minutes alone with this
enigmatic but amiable man.

-- Aaron Ross

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Aaron Ross: Could you give a brief history of the Dots and tell us how you
evolved into a collective organism?

Edward Kaspel: It's basically a band of friends. Back in 1980, it was myself,
Phil, who plays keyboards, and a girl named April. We lived in the same area
and practiced in an old house in East London. Since then, the band has changed
lineup maybe 19 time s. It's never been the most stable of bands, mainly
because of the type of music we make -- it's a recipe for poverty.

Christian Atrocity: Are you able to support yourself with your music?

EK: Now we can. As soon as we began selling more than 10,000 records.

CA: Has that effected your music?

EK: Not at all. All we ever do is hand over a finished master tape to the
record company. We refuse to give them any demo, we refuse to give them any
indication of what we're busy recording. There's a certain trust between us and
the company.

AR: Have you reached a wider audience over the past few years?

EK: Yes, but we don't know why! If anything, the music has become less
commercial in the last few years. But, at the same time, the audience has
grown, especially with the last album -- it actually doubled the audience
within the first month of its relea se. I think Caroline Records had a lot to
do with it.

AR: Were any of you academically trained in music?

EK: No, we're completely self-taught.

AR: There's a very distinctive color to your music . . .

EK: A distinctive multicolor!

AR: It makes me think that timbre is the most important thing. You seem to
spend a lot of time developing the sound aspect of your music.

EK: We're total perfectionists, but it's so intuitive ... you just simply know.
Its an emotional thing. None of it is premeditated; a lot of what you hear on
The Maria Dimension was recorded live in the studio, excepting the vocals,
which are ad ded later. I do believe that music is mainly a thing of emotion,
although I think it's lovely if the head is purring as well.

AR: Do you record at home with a mobile?

EK: Neils, our saxophone player, has his own farm by the river, an hour from
the nearest village. He has a barn where we have our own eight-track.

AR: It sounds so finely crafted, I thought you'd hauled in a digital 24-track!

EK: No, it's a Tascam! An old one.

CA: They're workhorses.

AR: In writing the lyrics, do you see it as a process of communication with
your audience, yourself, or the other band members?

EK: Largely with myself. A lot of the lyrics are extremely introspective, and I
write them primarily to please me. If they can twang a chord in somebody, then
all the better. They're open to great misinterpretation, but I can understand
that, and I actua lly don't mind. I think it's great if people see something
totally different in it than what I see. There's a track called "A Space
Between" on The Maria Dimension. It's basically about "What do we know?" We
know nothing, real ly! What if events have feelings, too? A girl came up to me
in Detroit and, "Yeah, that's all about abortion, isn't it?" I thought,
"Where'd she get that from?" I looked at the lyrics in a different light, and I
could see it!

AR: "We all have names."

CA: People are just reading in what they want.

EK: That's all anybody can do, unless you're sloganeering at people. I don't
like beating people over the head with a club with my opinions -- which may
well be wrong!

AR: Didn't you say, "We're here to get you, to change your preconceptions"?

EK: Oh, you heard that! That was just us winding the audience up. We love to
play mind games. There's a lot of humor in the Pink Dots, always has been. And
the funniest part of it all is how seriously people take us. I nearly fall down
laughing when peop le come up to me and say, "Oh, it's the PROPHET!" That's the
whole reason the term, "The Prophet Qaspel" came to being. After I watched
myself on a video, stomping about a stage in my long cape, with lines painted
all over my face like the Rock of God, I couldn't stop laughing. I thought,
"You pretentious bastard, you look just like one of those old prophets. That's
a great name! I'll be The Prophet Qaspel on the next album -- everybody's
going to laugh." Th ey didn't.

AR: I did!

EK: I'm glad. You're the first.

AR: Is your philosophy of "sing while you may" an optimistic one?

EK: We talked a lot about this thing called the Terminal Kaleidescope. If you
look at the history of the planet over the last few hundred years, you become
aware of a rapid acceleration of events. It's rather like the planet was a
drowning man watching i ts life flash before its eyes, as it goes down -- maybe
for the last time, maybe not. But how can we relate to that? Be glad you live
now, you're witnessing the most significant period in the entire history of the
planet. Cherish this time; sing while you may.

AR: The human race is in its adolescence.

CA: Let's hope it's not a suicidal teen.

EK: I still don't actually believe that the human race is capable of destroying
this planet or itself.

AR: The planet's going to fight tooth and nail for its survival.

EK: A lot of The Maria Dimension is about this astonishing arrogance. We can't
even explain how a bumblebee flies yet; that strikes me as being quite
primitive, scientifically.

AR: About the song, "Blacklist." Is that a true story?

EK: It's just an observation of certain trends. It was inspired by a very
simple incident. We'd come back over the German-Holland border, and our sound
man, Hans, got hauled over to the customs office by the police. He hadn't paid
a parking fine a few mo nths earlier. I thought, "My God, they can track you
even down to an unpaid parking fine!" And he wasn't allowed to pass back into
his own country until he paid it. That's sinister.

CA: Who are the most pathetic musicians you can think of -- your antithesis?

EK: I never usually like slagging off other bands, but I'm pretty offended by
Guns 'n' Roses, because of what they said about gays and anybody else who
simply deviates. I hate fascism of any kind, and I think they've been
responsible for some pr etty bad shit that way. However, having said that, I
don't know their music well. If I consider something bad, I simply choose not
to listen to it. I never listen to the radio, for instance; it's a waste of
time.

AR: So you keep yourself isolated and uncontaminated?

EK: Not completely -- there are many bands I admire. For example, Nurse With
Wound. They've been going for even longer than us. I enjoy a band like Coil,
because they can always surprise you. And there were so many bands that were
great at the start, and somehow they lost something on the way up. Like Chrome
-- the early Chrome was fantastic; now it's a little bit mechanical, I think.
It can happen to musicians, I don't know why.

AR: Don't you think they might burn out?

EK: I'm not so sure about burning out, but sometimes motivations change. Often
I've seen bands chase the money out of desperation. I wouldn't lay into them
for that. We had members of the Pink Dots before who desperately wanted the
band to become big, bu t there was always a balance of people who desperately
wanted to keep it small.

AR: A hypothetical question: what if you do become "big"?

EK: We'd probably make an album with one tone, with backwards guitars all over
it. Then we'd really give the audience a hard time.

AR: Didn't Lou Reed do that?

EK: If we become big, it'll be totally on our terms, and our terms won't
change. They can't, not after ten years. And yet the distribution has leapt,
and we don't know why. It's not as if we've made any compromise at all. Whereas
it seems that more and m ore bands are getting into the house sound, we decided
a year ago that we'd kick the drum machine out! I'm totally allergic to being
hit over the head with things.

AR: So who plays percussion now?

EK: We take turns banging and thrashing anything within reach, but we can only
do that in the studio. On tour, the rhythms are stored as loops in the EPS.

CA: So what have you done in America besides the tour?

EK: We've just toured. If we have a day off, it's a luxury. But we finish with
a collaborative recording session in Vancouver with Skinny Puppy.

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The Dots' current lineup:

The Prophet Qaspel (Edward Kaspel):
Left brain, larynx, keyboards

The Silverman (Philip Knight):
Right brain, keyboards, electro-wizardry

Father Pastorius (Bob Pistoor):
Guitars of all sorts

Niels Van Hoornblower (Niels Van Hoorn):
Saxes, clarinets, flutes, analog wind controller (which makes no sense)