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Guts of Darkness- interview Lyon, 2011

THE LEGENDARY PINK DOTS – Interview with Edward Ka-Spel at Sonic, Lyon,21/04/2011 (english version)

par Dariev Stands › mardi 7 juin 2011

On Thursday, 21rst of April, the Legendary Pink Dots played a gig in Lyon, on the Sonic barge. You couldn’t escape that gig if you were visiting our website : the flyer was on the homepage for over a month. The band was on a small but welcome french tour, supported by the promising [bleu]. For those of you that couldn’t make it (it seems the gig was sold-out, or very nearly), here’s an interview of Edward Ka-Spel, singer, storyteller and frontman of the band since their beginnings now more than 30 years ago. An interview that I tried to shape as different, knowing Ka-Spel’s reluctance to deliver the secrets of his chiaroscuro poetry. That’s why I opted for a “music buff” theme, since the singer regularly displays his long-lasting passion for all kinds of weird and challenging music, from Gabriel-era Genesis to Spiritualized, going through italians prog-rockers PFM (which we also love here). Take a look at his “beautiful things that came our way” section on the band’s mailorder website (terminalkaleidoscope.com), a section that turns out to be a real shedding of light on totally unknown albums gleaned through years of gifts given by record sellers or fans. Just for the sake of not departing from custom (and because I may be one of those fans myself, who knows), I thus gave 3 cd’s to the band. But first of all, let’s talk about the concert…

The Dots, on that night, played what may be called by some a “difficult” gig, considering the amount of epic and enchanting songs in their repertoire. This set was focused on their last album (the mysterious Seconds late for the Brighton Line) and their ambient facet, sometimes even reaching soundscapes bordering on noise music. The result was all the more efficient in a physical way : since the surprising departure of Niels Van Hoorn and Marijn de Kleer, Edward and Phil have total freedom of action to make machines roar, with a increasingly deep and granular sound. Hauptbahnhof 20:10 annouces a series of very ambient and aerial pieces, but the concert takes a psychoactive turn from Torchsong on. The opener from 2007 album Plutonium Blonde, combined with the sweltering heat of the venue, capsizes our brain cells as we enter a sort of tropical trance. That’s when the five immortal notes of New Tomorrow are delivered… I turn my head on the side to see the crowd reaction to this old favorite ; a young blonde lady, sitting on the top a bench on the side, stares at Ka-Spel during the whole song with eyes so sad that she seems a refugee from some holocaust… As if she shared with him an unwavering link, some painful memory that he alone would be able to expel. Great moment.

Let’s have a look at the setlist before the interview itself : The Unlikely Event / Rainbows Too? / God and Machines / Russian Roulette / Hauptbahnhof 20:10 / Cubic Caesar / Soft Toy / Choke / Someday ? / Torchsong / New Tomorrow / Rappel: 2 songs from Seconds late that I don’t remember

Ka-Spel immediately recognizes me, even if we just exchanged 2 mails a couple of months ago. As soon as a musical discussion starts, his enthusiasm is significant : this man is an incurable music lover ! This interview is full of surprises, inevitably too short and done while the support band was doing the soundcheck…

  King Crimson - The great deceiver

Were you a music fan and/or record collector before being in the band ?

Yeah that’s how the friendship with phil began, we used to get together listening to records because had a fairly uncommon taste in music. At that time, we tenmpted to look for like minds, it was very hard to find people who liked that.

I’d began record collecting for a few years before the Pink Dots

So before the late 70’s…

Oh yeah, since the early 70’s I collected records…

What kind of music surrounded you as a teenager, in the 70’s, and did you change your tastes when the band was formed (since it coincides with a particularly fast-changing time in english music, punk rock, then industrial music, new wave, factory records, and so on…)

My taste certainly never really changed, it broadened, it took in more things… I mean, the music I grew with as a teenager was definately the german bands, like Ash Ra Tempel… Pink Floyd was very important, David Bowie was hugely important… All these people played a really big part in what I eventually did; but when punk rock came along, at first I wasn’t so crazy about it, I liked the image and the energy, but I wasn’t so crazy about the music, but that developed into something with the other bands like Wire, Joy Division and This Heat, I loved that. And that was really broadenedt it for me. And what I actually really wanted to do was form a band for myself.

I’ve read that you loved Neu, Can, Faust and the krautrock bands… Did you stay away from more “popular” rock music in the 70’s, such as english prog-rock, or glam for example ?

I, personnaly, hear some glam influences in early Pink Dots music… Not only Berlin-period Bowie, (il me coupe “Bowie for sure!”) but also his earlier glam stuff, and T-Rex too, Roxy Music…

Yeah Roxy Music for sure, I love Bowie & Roxy Music, absolutely. The First two Roxy Music albums, I think they’re classics, I still listen to them and I love them. And David Bowie basically I grew up with. I just love his music since… ever… He’s probably my biggest personnal hero I guess, so yeah, he’s there (laughs).

I first thought about that while listening to The Tower… I thought that would be interesting because maybe some of your goth fans never heard about Roxy Music at all…

Oh! They should…

Because you’re sometimes classified in the indus genre, and the pink dots are much broader than that…

Yeah of course, it’s much wider actually

Nurse with wound - spiral insana  Alain Bashung - L'imprudence

Were you one of the rare few to buy NWW’s first two albums when they came out, and did you get the now famous NWW list ?

Oh, I never had all the records on that list, no. I’ve been interested in a few and Steve of course, being a personnal friend for many years, made me listen to a few records through the years, and on some occasion he would give me a record, but there’s still a lot there that I haven’t listened to…

I think it’s impossible…

And you know, it’s not everything that is to my taste either. Steve has his own taste as well, which also mutated and broadened.

Speaking of NWW, what are your favorites from his disturbing discography ?

I love Spiral Insana, that’s a really great album

I think you’re gonna like what I have for you…

…Some of his later music is really nice, Bacteria Magnet… Actually there’s a lot, a lot of things… Second Pirate Session ! THAT is amazing, the double cd with the doll’s head on the front, but actually there’s a lot to discover, it’s full of great music…

You’re a very appreciated band among the “gothic” and “industrial” crowd, but when one reads your interviews, or simply listens to your music, it appears that your influences are more psychedelic than straightforward “dark”… Is there a particular gothic or industrial band that you relate to ?

I must be honest, I never really got into gothic… Not completely my taste, I’ve just recently been introduced to some of it… But yeah, I’m probably much closer to psychedelic…

Did the release of “Music to play in the dark” by Coil in the mid-90’s influenced you in any way?

I know it only a little bit, I know their early albums, I’ve just heard it once a couple years ago for the first time…

You worked with Jim O’Rourke in the band Mimir, did you liked his work before he joined you ? His was quite an obscure musician in the at the time (Mimiryad was released in 93)

I knew him from the beginning because of his friendship with Christoph, so it was great to finally work with him… and I loved it to be honest

You already mentioned the residents in interviews, is it because you just love their music, or do you have a special relationship with them ?

Oh, Because I guess I love their music, especially that first few albums, just so completely timeless, they defy description , they create a world that so unique, it’s like listening to a kind of David Lynch music for your ears. Things like Meet the Residents… I personnaly like them less as they went out, they went into a kind of formula. Not to put them down, but the really twisted stuff is what I really like…

French music, now… I’m quite proud that you seem to be found of Magma, how and when did you get into them, and is there any other french artists that appeals to you ?

Oh sure! And Lard Free, and Heldon, and Ilitch, that is a lot of french music that I love…

Magma I discovered them in 73, basically because of a review, I thought ‘I gotta hear this band’… I took me like 10 listens of MDK, I didn’t like it first but it kept drawing me back… And so I played it again and again and again… At a certain point I must have played it more than 100 times and I was litteraly obsessed with it, and with the whole band and Christian Vander … But you know, from there, I supposed I got into Gong… Gong and David Aellen were very important… I wanted to hear a lot more French Bands, there really is a sound… Especially the parisian bands, like Heldon, or indeed, Lard Free…and a bit later on, Ilitch, one of the must underrated bands…

Ilitch ?

Thierry Müller… Like Vladimir Ilitch Lenin. It’s one of the most important records ever for me, and it might even be the most important french record : 10 Suicides. But Thierry reformed it recently, and you know what : it’s still great !

Do you like the recent Magma stuff ?

I find it really interesting… I feel closer to the early stuff but It’s still absolutely great

I have a friend, she saw it like 10 times…

There’s so much passion there… It’s such a great band, great musicians, passionnate…

  

Any plans to reissue other albums than Crushed Velvet ? Is there possible to imagine a vinyl reissue of it , or other late 80’s/early 90’s albums (I think the original covers were so magical, and it’s so precious when the music lives up to such great artwork, quality-wise) ?

There are some plans for these to come out on vinyl, that’s for sure… I was speaking a lot with Chris, of Beta-lactam ring, he’s actually beginning a bit of a reissue series just later this year. Atomic Roses is going on vinyl, and that should open the floodgates… Cause it’s all disappeared now…

I’m trying to buy them second hand, but I’m having trouble finding some of them…

Oh we should get in touch, I may have some… you’d be surprised…

I see more and more people getting curious about the Pink Dots, on internet, but also from talking to people in record stores. What albums would you advise them to get in particular ?

I know you’ve answered such a question before, and it influenced me, personnaly, when I wanted to get into your music, but maybe your opinion has changed, and I’d like to have Phil and Erik’s answer to that question, too, which may be interestingly different…

I would actually now say : start with Seconds Late for the Brighton Line, it’s such a great entrance. I know that, you know, bands always promote the new album, but I actually believe it. It’s such a great door. It’s one of the best albums we’ve ever made. It feels so very fresh and vital, it’s new stuff, we’re gonna into interesting areas, there is an energy to it that I think is really great, very special…

Edward, you’ve said several times your love for Radiohead… Does Phil and Erik like them too ? And what do you think of their recent albums ?

Not as much as I do… No, I’m the one who’s really fanatical about them. Nothing comes close to the sound of Thom’s voice, I love Thom’s voice. Not everybody agrees with me… Same as my voice

Yeah, I think there one of the one vital, interesting bands…. There is none better really, they go where other bands fear to tread. Especially when you’ve reached that level of popularity, that’s a particular coach….

Yeah, they were very important for me in high school… The best music you could get before the internet came… Erm, now the inevitable lame Top 5 records question…

No ! (smile)No top five… I mean probably, if I have… People asked me “what is actually your favorite band”, well I really thought about it and… I’d probably say King Crimson. There’s so much they’ve made, I still listen to their records made 35 years ago, and they’re that vital, electric, and constantly searching…

Do you know the “Great deceiver” box set ? It’s incredible….

I have it, yeah…

You seem to often play in “unusual” cities, such as Avignon, which doesn’t get many concerts from foreign artists, and even french ones, from what I know… Is it a choice of yours or doest it just turn out that way when you’re looking for dates ?

I have a good friend living in Avignon…I justs turns out that way, we have to go where we’re wanted.

Do you remember if the Avignon show, for 25th anniversary tour, was a success ? Did you play in Nice often ? and do you generally get a good audience response in southern europe (southern france, Italy, Spain, Greece, Croatia, Bosnia, Romania ?)

We played in Cannes, but not Nice… Our best places to play are where we finish this tour, this is Moscow and St Petersbourg. Poland is very strong, Czech Republic, the west coast of america, New York… We like to play southern europe, the crowds are not massive, but the ones who comes are always great people. What a nice bunch of people..

Guernica  

The interview ends as bleu, the excellent support band, starts pounding heavily on their drumset… I then give to Edward my 3 gifts to the band : a cd-r compilation burned by myself, Alain Bashung’s “L’imprudence”, and the self-titled album by Lyons duo Narcophony, of which the central, 26-minute piece, “Petit Buddha”, is a cover of Nurse With Wound’s Spiral Insana for string quartet. Useless to say Edward was surprised… He didn’t know Bashung, of course, but seemed familiar with several artists on my compilation, including Neutral Milk Hotel and… Jun Togawa ! Hard to tell which one of the two was more surprised that the other knew, but anyway, Ka-Spel says he loves her records with the band Guernica, which are close to a 30’s/40’s aesthetic that he likes. So do we. We’ll probably review Jun Togawa’s records in the future, so watch out !

Source: Guts of Darkness


French:

THE LEGENDARY PINK DOTS – Interview avec Edward Ka-Spel au Sonic, Lyon, le 21/04/2011

par Dariev Stands › mercredi 1 juin 2011

Style(s) : electro / gothique / ovni inclassable / punk / post punk

Ce concert du Jeudi 21 Avril 2011, vous n’avez pas pu y échapper : le flyer en était placardé sur la page d’acceuil du site longtemps à l’avance. Les Legendary Pink Dots faisaient une petite tournée française, accompagnés des prometteurs [bleu], et guts of darkness était partenaire de l’évènement pour l’occasion… Pour ceux n’ayant pas pu s’y rendre (il semble que la péniche du Sonic était pleine, ou quasi-pleine), voici donc une interview d’Edward Ka-Spel, chanteur, conteur, et leader du groupe depuis ses tout débuts voici maintenant plus de 30 ans. Une interview que votre serviteur a voulu différente, bien conscient de la réticence de Ka-Spel à livrer les secrets de sa poésie mystique en clair-obscur. J’ai donc opté pour une thématique « mélomane », vu que Ka-Spel fait régulièrement montre de sa passion indefectible pour toutes les musiques bizarres et interlopes possibles, des premiers Genesis à Spiritualized, en passant par PFM ! Pour preuve, la rubrique “choses magnifiques qui ont croisé notre chemin” sur la mailorder du groupe (terminal kaleidoscope), véritable mise en lumière d’illustres inconnus glanés au fil des cadeaux donnés par les fans du groupes, notoirement dévoués et barges. Histoire de ne pas déroger, j’offris donc 3 cd au groupe. Mais avant cela parlons un peu du concert…

Les Dots ont joué ce soir-là, comme sur toute la tournée, ce qu’il faut bien appeler un set difficile d’accès, au regard de leur impressionnante collection de chansons épiques et ruisselantes de charme. Focalisé sur leur dernier album et sur leur facette la plus ambient, allant jusqu’à creuser des soundscapes à la frontière de la noise, ce concert fut surtout efficace sur un plan physique : depuis que Niels Van Hoorn et Martijn de Keer sont partis, Edward et Phil ont toute latitude pour faire vrombir des machines au son de plus en plus profond et granuleux. Si HauptBahnhof annonce une longue série de morceaux très ambient et aériens, le concert prend un tournant psychotrope à partir de Torchsong, qui, allié à la chaleur étouffante du lieu, fait chavirer les dernières synapses et entrer en transe au moment où résonne les cinq notes immortelles de New Tomorrow. Une jeune fille blonde, assise sur le haut d’une banquette, fixe alors Ka-Spel avec des yeux de rescapée de l’holocauste durant toute la chanson, comme si elle partageait avec lui un lien inaltérable, un souvenir douloureux que seul lui est à même d’expier… Grand moment.

Jetons un œil à la setlist avant d’attaquer l’interview : The Unlikely Event / Rainbows Too? / God and Machines / Russian Roulette / Hauptbahnhof 20:10 / Cubic Caesar / Soft Toy / Choke / Someday ? / Torchsong / New Tomorrow / Rappel: 2 titres de Seconds late

Ka-Spel, que beaucoup disent pour le moins dans la lune, s’est pourtant immédiatement souvenu de moi lorsque je me présente : deux courts mails échangés il y a deux bons moins de cela auront suffit. Dès qu’une discussion sur la musique est engagée, le prédicateur au pieds nus réagit avec une vivacité peu commune : pas de doute, cet homme-là est un mélomane incurable. D’autres que lui souffrent de cette maladie, et peuvent passer pour des loques auprès des uns, tandis que les autres voient un type exhalté dès qu’on lui parle de musique. Suivez-mon regard, il pointe vers la glace. Une interview pleine de surprises, forcément trop courte et pas dans des conditions de détente optimale, puisque sur fond de balance du groupe de première partie.

  King Crimson - The great deceiver Nurse with wound - spiral insana  Alain Bashung - L'imprudence

étais-tu déjà un fan de musique avant le groupe ?

Oui, c’est comme ça que mon amitié avec Phil (NDR : aka Silverman, Harmonix, Philip Knight, etc…) a débuté, on se retrouvait pour écouter des disques, car on avait tous les deux des goûts musicaux assez peu communs. A cette époque, on avait tendance à chercher des gens avec le même état d’esprit, ce qui était très dur à trouver… J’avais déjà commencé à collectionner des disques bien avant les Pink Dots…

avant la fin des 70’s, donc…

Oh oui, depuis le début des 70’s je collectionnais des disques…

Quel était ton environnement musical pendant l’adolescence, dans les 70’s, et as-tu changé de goûts quand le groupe s’est formé, puisque ça coïncide avec une période changement rapide dans la musique anglaise : le punk, puis l’indus, la new wave, factory records, etc…

Mes goûts n’ont jamais vraiment changé, c’est une certitude ; ils se sont élargis, ils ont commencé à inclure plus de choses… La musique avec laquelle j’ai grandi durant mon adolescence, c’était définitivement les groupes allemands, comme Ash Ra Tempel… Pink Floyd était très important, aussi ; David Bowie a été particulièrement important… Tous ces gens ont eu une grande influence sur ce que j’ai fini par faire, mais quand le punk est arrivé, au début je n’en étais pas si emballé que ça. J’aimais l’image et l’énergie de la chose, mais je n’étais pas fan de la musique. Mais quand cela s’est developpé avec des groupes comme Wire, Joy Division et This Heat, c’est là que les choses ont commencé à s’élargir pour moi. Et cela m’a permis de faire ce que je voulais vraiment, c’est-à-dire former mon propre groupe.

J’ai lu que tu adorais Neu, Can, Faust et les groupes krautrock… Restais-tu à l’écart du rock plus « populaire » dans les 70’s, comme le progressif anglais ou le glam, par exemple ? Personnellement, j’entends des influences glam dans les premiers Pink Dots… Pas seulement Bowie époque berlinoise (réaction immédiate de l’interessé : Bowie for sure !), mais aussi sa période glam d’avant, et des groupes comme T-Rex ou Roxy Music…

Oui, Roxy Music, absolument, j’adore Bowie et Roxy Music. Les deux premiers Roxy Music, ce sont des classiques pour moi, je les écoute toujours et je les adore. Et David Bowie, j’ai tout simplement grandi avec. J’aime sa musique depuis… toujours. C’est probablement mon plus grand héros personnel, donc oui… Il est là (rires).

J’ai pensé à ça en écoutant The Tower, je me disais que ça serait intéressant d’en parler car certains de vos fans n’ont peut-être jamais entendu parler de Roxy Music…

Oh ! Ils devraient.

Et puis, par exemple, vous êtes souvent classés en indus, alors que les Pink Dots ratissent beaucoup plus large que ça… étais-tu l’un des rares à avoir acheté les 2 premiers Nurse With Wound lors de leur sortie, avec la fameuse « Nurse With Wound list » (NDR : une liste longue comme le tentacule de Cthulu, véritable compendium de tout ce qui se faisait de sombre et expérimental avant 81)

Oh, je n’ai jamais eu tous les disques de cette liste, non… Certains d’entre eux m’ont intéressé, et Steve étant un proche, il m’en a évidemment fait écouter quelques uns au fil des années, me donnant un disque ou deux à l’occasion, mais il y en a encore beaucoup que je ne connais pas.

Je crois que c’est impossible de tout connaître là-dedans…

Et de toutes façons, tout n’y est pas de mon goût non plus. Steve a ses propres goûts aussi, qui ont également connu mutations et élargissements…

Puisqu’on parle de Nurse With Wound, quelles sont tes pièces favorites de sa troublante discographie ?

J’adore Spiral Insana, c’est vraiment un album fantastique… Certains de ses disques récents sont vraiment bons, comme Bacteria Magnet… En fait, il y a vraiment beaucoup de choses… Second Pirate Session, aussi ! ça c’est incroyable, le double cd avec la tête de poupée… Mais en fait il y a tant à découvrir, son œuvre est remplie de bonne musique.

Vous êtes très appréciés dans les cercles goth ou indus, mais quand on lit vos interviews ou simplement en écoutant votre musique, on se rend compte que vos influences sont plutôt psychédéliques… Il y a-t-il un groupe gothique ou industriel qui vous a néanmoins marqués, à part Skinny Puppy, pour des raisons évidentes (NDR : Cevin Key est un fan de très longue date des Pink Dots, et c’est devenu réciproque avec le temps, les deux groupes ayant même fusionné pour le projet au long cours Tear Garden)

Pour être vraiment honnête, je n’ai jamais vraiment été attiré par la musique goth… Ce n’est pas dans mes goûts, on m’en a fait découvrir une partie tout récemment, mais oui, je suis probablement plus proche du psychédélisme…

Est-ce que la sortie de « Music to play in the dark » de Coil au milieu des 90’s vous a influencés, même indirectement ?

En fait, je connais très mal cet album, je connais surtout leurs débuts. J’ai entendu ce disque pour la première fois il y a quelques années seulement.

C’est une merveille absolue, je trouve… Toujours au milieu des années 90, tu as collaboré avec Jim O’Rourke au sein du groupe Mimir ; appréciais-tu déjà son travail avant qu’il te rejoigne ? C’était un musicien assez obscur quand Mimiryad est sorti (93)…

Je le connaissais depuis le début via son amitié avec Christoph (ndr : Heeman, de HNAS, groupe allemand inclassable), donc c’était super de finalement travailler avec lui… Et j’ai adoré ça, pour être honnête.

  

Tu as déjà mentionné les Residents dans des interviews passées, est-ce un groupe qui a une signification particulière pour toi, ou es-tu seulement fan de leur musique ?

J’aime leur musique, tout simplement, surtout ces premiers albums, ils sont juste tellement intemporels. Ils défient toute description, ils créent un monde si unique, c’est comme écouter un film de David Lynch pour les oreilles, des choses comme « Meets the Residents »… Personellement, j’aime moins leur évolution tardive, ils sont tombés dans une sorte de formule. Pas que je veuille les descendre, mais ma préférence va à leurs trucs les plus tordus…

Bon, la musique française maintenant… Je suis assez fier du fait que tu sembles être grand amateur de Magma, quand et comment as-tu rencontré leur musique, et y’a-t-il d’autres artistes français qui t’interpellent ?

Bien sûr ! Lard Free, Heldon, Illitch, il y a beaucoup de musique française qui me plaise… Magma, je les ai découverts en 73, suite à une chronique tout simplement. Je me suis dit « il faut que j’écoute ce groupe »… Mekanik Destruktiv Kommandoh a tourné une dizaine de fois, d’emblée, je ne l’aimais pas au départ, mais il revenait sans cesse me chercher… Et donc je l’ai écouté encore et encore… à un moment donné j’ai du l’écouter plus d’une centaine de fois, et j’en étais littéralement obsédé, obsédé par tout ce groupe et par Christian Vander. Et puis à partir de là, je crois j’ai commencé à m’interesser à Gong. Gong et David Aellen ont été très importants pour moi. Je voulais découvrir beaucoup plus de groupes français, il y avait vraiment un son… Surtout les groupes parisiens, comme Heldon ou Lard Free… Et un peu plus tard, Illitch, un des groupes les plus sous-estimés…

Illitch ?

Thierry Müller, son groupe s’appelait Illitch. Comme Vladimir Illitch Oulianov Lenine. Il a sorti l’un des disques les plus importants de tous les temps pour moi, et peut-être même le meilleur disque français : 10 Suicides. Et Thierry a même reformé le groupe récemment, et tu sais quoi : c’est toujours excellent ! Beaucoup de groupes des 70’s se reforment, pour des résultats mitigés, mais dans ce cas-là c’est formidable.

Que penses-tu du Magma « récent » d’ailleurs ?

Je le trouve très interessant… Je me sens plus proches de la première période mais c’est toujours absolument génial.

J’ai une amie qui a du les voir 10 fois…

Il y a tellement de passion dans ce groupe, ce sont des musiciens incroyables, si passionnés…

Tu as plusieurs fois exprimé ton amour pour Radiohead… Est-ce que Phil et Erik les aiment aussi ?

Hmm, pas autant que moi (rires) ! Non, c’est vraiment moi qui suis fanatique. Rien n’arrives à la cheville de la voix de Thom Yorke, j’adore cette voix. Tout le monde ne partage pas mon avis, c’est une voix spéciale, c’est un peu comme la mienne… Oui, je pense qu’ils font partie des groupes les plus vitaux et interessants actuels, on ne fait pas mieux, vraiment. Ils vont là où les autres groupes n’oseraient jamais aller, surtout quand tu as atteint ce niveau de popularité, c’est un sacré tour de force.

hummm, et si je te posais l’inévitable question chiante du Top 5 ultime ?

Non !! (sourire), pas de Top 5 ! Je veux dire, si vraiment je devais… Les gens me demandent souvent « quel est ton groupe favori, en fait », et du coup j’y ai vraiment réfléchi et … Je dirai probablement King Crimson. Ils ont fait tellement de disques, j’écoute encore ceux qu’ils ont sorti il y a 35 ans, et on dirait que c’est sorti hier… Ils sont toujours aussi vitaux, électriques, et en recherche constante…

Tu connais « The Great Deceiver » ?

Je l’ai, oui ! (je vois à son expression qu’il a pris sa baffe à son écoute, comme tout ceux qui l’ont écouté)

Je change un peu de sujet, est-il prévu de rééditer d’autres albums que Crushed Velvet Apocalypse ? Peut-on envisager d’en voir un jour une réédition vinyle, ou d’autres albums de cette période ?

C’est prévu qu’ils ressortent en vinyle, c’est certain… J’ai beaucoup parlé avec Chris, de Beta-Lactam Ring, et il va en fait commencer une sorte de salve de rééditions dans l’année. Atomic Roses va sortir en vinyle, et ça devrait un peu ouvrir les vannes… Car tous ces disques ont disparu du marché désormais.

Je rencontre de plus en plus de gens curieux du groupe, sur internet, mais aussi en discutant dans les disquaires… Quels albums leurs conseillerais-tu en particulier pour découvrir le groupe ? Je sais que tu as déjà répondu à cette question précédemment, mais peut-être que ton opinion a changé…

En fait, aujourd’hui, je dirai : commencez avec Seconds Late For The Brighton Line, c’est une si bonne entrée en matière. Je sais bien que les groupes font toujours la promo de leurs nouveau disque, mais là je le pense vraiment ! (rires). Ça fait une si bonne porte d’entrée, c’est l’un des meilleurs albums qu’on n’ait jamais fait. C’est tellement frais et vital, c’est tout nouveau, on entre dans des régions assez intéressantes, il y a là une énergie qui est vraiment spéciale, je pense.

Vous semblez souvent jouer dans des villes inattendues, comme Avignon, que ne voit pas passer beaucoup de concerts d’artistes étrangers, ni même de français, pour ce que j’en sais… Est-ce un choix de votre part où cela tombe-t-il comme ça quand vous cherchez des dates ?

Il se trouve que j’ai un bon ami qui vit à Avignon, mais sinon ça tombe comme ça, nous allons là où nous sommes demandés !

ça n’interessera probablement que moi, mais avez-vous déjà joué à Nice ? Et recueillez-vous de bonnes réactions en Europe du Sud ? (sud de la France, Italie, Espagne, grèce, croatie, etc…)

On a déjà joué à Cannes, mais pas à Nice. Les endroits où on marche le mieux sont ceux où l’on termine cette tournée, c’est-à-dire Moscou et Saint Petersbourg. On a également un très bon public en Pologne, en république Tchèque, sur la côte ouest des USA, à New York… On aime jouer en Europe du Sud, le public n’est jamais très nombreux, mais ceux qui viennent sont toujours des gens formidables…

Guernica   

L’interview touche à une fin forcée, puisque bleu, l’excellent groupe de première partie, commence à imprimer un rythme martelant pour sa balance… Je remets donc à Edward 3 cadeaux, grosso modo pour les 3 membres du groupe « live » : une compil de mon cru, L’imprudence d’Alain Bashung, et surtout l’album éponyme du duo Lyonnais Narcophony, dont la pièce centrale de 26 min, « Petit Buddha » est une reprise pour cordes de Spiral Insana de Nurse With Wound ! Inutile de dire que l’homme fut étonné et ravi, et s’empressa d’aller montrer l’objet à un Silverman interloqué… Si Edward ne connaissait bien sûr pas Bashung (mais la présence d’Arto Lindsay a bien sûr éveillé son attention), il a reconnu plusieurs titres de ma compil en regardant la tracklist, dont la reprise de Neil Young par Mercury Rev, Neutral Milk Hotel… et Jun Togawa !! Lequel des deux était le plus étonné que l’autre connaisse, difficile à dire, toujours est-il que Ka-Spel est fan de ses disques avec Guernica, proches d’une esthétique années 30-40 qu’il dit affectionner. Incroyable. Autres noms de la compil : Esa Shields, Fiery Furnaces, Kampec Dolores, Slapp Happy et quelques autres dont je tairai le nom sous peine qu’on m’accuse de vouloir corrompre une légende de l’underground à grand coup de Janelle Mon… pardon, je m’égare.

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The Legendary Pink Dots | Interview | New Album, ‘The Museum Of Human Happiness’

July 5, 2022

The Legendary Pink Dots recently released a new album, ‘The Museum Of Human Happiness’ via Metropolis Records.


Formed in London in 1980, The Legendary Pink Dots operate well outside the mainstream and have built and maintained a fiercely loyal cult following worldwide, sustaining a lengthy career that has seen them release over forty regular studio albums as well as a myriad of additional recordings. Ka-Spel (vocals, keyboards) and group co-founder Phil Knight [aka The Silverman] (keyboards, electronics), are joined by guitarist Erik Drost for ‘The Museum Of Human Happiness’, the trio’s follow-up to 2019’s ‘Angel In The Detail’.

That album had been promoted with a 40th Anniversary tour in early 2020, the initial European leg of which ended with a sold-out show in London shortly before the UK shut up shop. Ka-Spel recalls that “the pandemic reared its ugly head as we criss-crossed Europe. Just a few days before much of Italy locked down, we were in Milan. A few days later, the destination was Cologne where we stayed in a hotel in the countryside. It turned out that we were one village away from the most lethal outbreak of the virus in Germany. The tour eventually finished at The Moth Club in East London, which has a worryingly low ceiling. There were hugs, a real feeling of togetherness with a truly lovely audience. Then the World stopped. It was the last time The Dots were in the same room”.

The Legendary Pink Dots live at Moth Club | Photo by E Gabriel Edvy

“It’s a miracle of cyberspace”


‘The Museum Of Human Happiness’ is your latest album. Was there a particular concept you were looking for?

Edward Ka-Spel: Hi Klemen. ‘The Museum Of Human Happiness’ was everything to do with the circumstances we found ourselves in for almost the whole of 2020 and 2021. We had just finished a European Tour when COVID-19 was gathering a disturbing momentum. I distinctly remember sitting in an impromptu dressing room in Milan reading about an outbreak 60 km down the road and from there things went downhill. Friends would turn up at shows coughing and wheezing, places we just visited declared lockdowns. At darker moments we felt a little like the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, spreading the malaise.

The last show was in London. It was packed and it felt like most of the audience needed hugs. Then life stopped.

For a while, in the early days, it seemed like everything became better – the air was cleaner, we could actually hear the birds.

But then an expert would spoil it all by reminding us that the planet was still destined to fry even if the lockdown lasted for years… a scenario where we were not just locked in but trapped underground. At least we could create a museum dedicated to the illusion that everything was perfect… before…

My youngest daughter Alice suggested the title when she wrote a poem entitled “The Museum of Happiness”. It resonated massively with me… I added ‘The Museum Of Human Happiness’. Songs poured out as if there was to be no tomorrow… I guess that was also the fear…

Is happiness in today’s society even possible?

Ask me again when people start talking about peace rather than war, when we have learned not to vote for monsters, when we have kicked away the borders and learned to share and cherish all life. It’s possible but we need to work on it.

Would you like to share some further words on the recording and producing process for ‘The Museum Of Human Happiness’?

It’s a miracle of cyberspace. We were not allowed to meet, share a studio space or even share a curry. We were also separated by the North Sea. I tended to write the songs with all that glorious time and send the recordings across to the guys in The Netherlands. They added their parts, and sent them to me. I mixed the contents of the pot and asked for suggestions to refine it all. At last we reached the point where everyone was a little ecstatic with the way it turned out.


“The complexity was a result of visiting the material daily for months”


The album itself is quite complex. Was it difficult to get all the material together?

Initially there was an absolute deluge of material and I’d go through it all with my wife Alena. She actually suggested the songs that made a coherent whole, and she was absolutely right. The complexity was a result of visiting the material daily for months, always refining and looking for new angles. I confess I’m obsessive when it comes to those little details.

How’s this last year under lockdown been for you? Have you found the isolation creatively challenging or freeing?

In reality, a bit of both, but I have enjoyed lots of support from my family as well as the good souls across the World who support the Dots through thick and thin.

It’s really hard to follow everything you’re working on. Would you like to share what are some of the latest projects you worked on or are still currently working on?

Hmm…that’s a hard one. Lots of projects are bubbling under but my main focus in the last year has been to produce a kind of audio diary with an album (solo) almost every month. It’s demanding, but hugely satisfying.

If you could work with any other current artist who would it be?

I cannot really answer that. Lots of great artists I admire and love to listen to but it doesn’t mean I need to work with them.

Edward Ka-Spel 2019
Looking back, who influenced your music the most and did influences change during the years?

Psychedelic music from the early 70s probably played the biggest part. Still I remember the day at school during a drama lesson when we were allowed to play records and then discuss them. Someone brought ‘Ummagumma’ to the lesson and life changed. Then there was Faust, listening to the John Peel Show with a transistor radio pressed to my ear under the bed sheets; ‘Tago Mago’ by Can, ‘Hymnen’ from Stockhausen, White Noise , ‘666’ ‘from Aphrodite’s Child. Later, Mutantes, ‘OK Computer’… always keep the antenna raised.

The Legendary Pink Dots live in London | Photo by E Gabriel Edvy
Let’s end this interview with some of your favorite albums. Have you found something new lately you would like to recommend to our readers?

There is a lot of great music out there. Must mention Lucy Liyou, Claire Rousay and all the recent releases of Phew. I have loved her music since the 80s but the last albums have been stunning. I tend to discover a lot through Bandcamp… it gave us all the shots in the arm we desperately needed.

Klemen Breznikar

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EDWARD KA-SPEL of The LEGENDARY PINK DOTS “refuses to slow down” with the new LP “The Museum of Human Happiness”

 | 13th April 2022

Earlier on March 18, Metropolis Records released the brand new album ‘The Museum of Human Happiness’ by the unique and mythical act The Legendary Pink Dots. With an ocean of releases for 41 years now, this new record can be considered as another fresh wave into The Dots swell, or another leap forward for these groundbreakers whose inspiration is literally boundless both in music and the performing level. ‘The Museum…’ has 12 new songs that emanate from the multifaceted sonic front of the band with things that we are used to and many more that either renew their ‘situation’ or add other pieces to the wonderful, big puzzle of their course.

The music here is so complicated simple; The Dots are (still) playing Avant-rock music in the avant-garde style, blending it all (again and forever) with experimental elements that are taken from psychedelia (and the neo-psychedelia too), and placing them on the usual field of the old post-punk rails; of course, you will also hear some hidden traces of the ‘gaze’ task and execution as well as the poetic-punk attitude and style…simple as that yeah! ‘Cloudsurfer’ is a rather characteristic song of this year’s orientation, check it out and Ι see you again later…

Αlmost everything has been written and said about this band, and most of it is correct and true. The next track ‘Nightingale’ is putting other thoughts, it sounds as if it reveals the complexity of their unique existence in a notable, experimental spot in the new album…

…and the same goes for the closing track of the record, ‘Nirvana For Zeroes’

…and of course, the adventure starts at the beginning with a piece so trademark for The Dots‘This Is The Museum’.

You will enjoy all these ‘surreal’ diamonds and more in their entire new album, but better go now to the conversation I had with Edward Ka-Spel who is not the usual rock star of our times, he doesn’t give many interviews, he is quite sparing and very comprehensive but we respect him absolutely and endlessly!

HELLO MR KA-SPEL, IT IS AN HONOUR TO HAVE YOU WITH US, WELCOME TO WL//WH!!! LET’S GO STRAIGHT TO THE HOT NEWS PLEASE, THE LEGENDARY PINK DOTS RECENTLY RELEASED THEIR BRAND NEW ALBUM ‘THE MUSEUM OF HUMAN HAPPINESS’ WITH 12 BRAND NEW SONGS AND I’D LIKE TO ASK WHAT KIND OF WORKMANSHIP IS THIS NEW LP FOR THE DOTS, AND THEIR FANS?

Hi my friend…I guess the first bricks of ‘The Museum’ were planted in early 2020, just as the World closed down. It was actually quite terrifying. From casual advice about the need to wash our hands for 20 seconds, it seemed like the daily deaths on the tv screens resembled winning lottery tickets. Supermarkets here were emptied, and police were poised to pounce on anyone who blew a kiss at someone else. With all that time at home, I had to write…and write..and write. And then record….

I READ IN THE PRESS KIT A STATEMENT FROM YOU THAT NEEDS A LITTLE EXPLANATION FOR OUR READERS “THE LYRICS ARE UTTERLY POIGNANT, DESPERATE, YET SOMETIMES BEARING A FLASH OF GALLOWS HUMOR”. DOES THIS REVEAL THE WHOLE MYSTERY OF THE NEW ALBUM?

Not at all. Just a little guidance for the unprepared…
ARTISTICALLY, THE DOTS WERE ALWAYS A VERSATILE PROJECT OVER THE YEARS BUT I FEEL THE NEW ALBUM TAKES THINGS TO A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONSTELLATION FROM YOUR PREVIOUS STUDIO ALBUMS. WHERE ARE YOU GOING AND WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WITH ‘THE MUSEUM…’?

41 years of The Dots but I refuse to slow down or reach for the carpet slippers. You see there is still so much left to discover…

ARE THERE ANY ‘FAVORITE TRACKS’ FOR YOU ON THE NEW ALBUM OR TRACKS THAT YOU ARE A LITTLE AFRAID OF FOR YOUR AUDIENCE?

Not really… There was plenty of time to perfect this one and it was necessary with the impossibility of us getting together.

IF A YOUNG PERSON HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE A BAND AND ASKED YOU WHAT KIND OF MUSIC YOU PLAY, WHAT WOULD YOU ANSWER? WHAT KIND OF MUSIC DO THE DOTS FINALLY MAKE?

A question I face quite often and I’m usually clueless when it comes to an answer. Normally I stick with ‘unique’ …we have our ‘own sound’ which of course, leaves the questioner utterly confused.

I’VE SEEN THE DOTS LIVE IN ATHENS BACK IN 2008 OR 2009 AND I WAS AMAZED! I HAD ALREADY KNOWN THE BAND SINCE THE MID-90S AND SEEING THE DOTS PERFORMING LIVE REALLY EXPLAINED A LOT TO ME. THE QUESTION IS WHERE ALL THIS INNER SOUND PHANTASMAGORIA IS HIDDEN INSIDE YOU AND HOW FINALLY AFTER SO MANY DECADES (I STILL BELIEVE) DO YOU MAKE SUCH AMAZING PERFORMANCES? REMEMBER THAT IN THE END, WE DIDN’T WANT YOU TO LEAVE THE STAGE? (THIS CITY COULD BE ANY OTHER IN THE WORLD I GUESS)

I’ll never forget that first show in Gagarin 205…We’d been trying to get to Athens for decades and eventually drove all the way through Italy and took the trucker boat to Igoumenitsa. The audience was plain magnificent…it inspired us all.

The Legendary Pink Dots live at Gagarin 205 Athens

MR KA-SPEL I BELIEVE YOU ARE AN INNOVATOR LIKE A PIONEER AND A GROUNDBREAKER IN MUSIC, BUT SOMETIMES IN HISTORY, THIS CAN’T HAPPEN ALONE. TELL US A FEW THINGS ABOUT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DOTS, PLEASE, AND HOW COME YOU AGREED TO NAVIGATE TOGETHER WITH THE DOTS?

Well, there is The Silverman ( Phil Knight) who was there at the beginning and now lives in The Netherlands with an attic crammed with analogue synthesizers, then there’s Erik Drost with the edgiest, noisiest, and tenderest guitar you’ll ever wish to hear. A band of long-standing friendships ultimately…Sure, there’s tension but it’s all in the music…

REALLY NOW I WANT TO ASK WHAT ARE YOU LISTENING TO AT HOME AT THIS TIME? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUGGEST US SOMETHING …?

A hard one..but probably my favourite album of the last few years ‘async’ by Ryuichi Sakamoto

I DO NOT REMEMBER READING ANYWHERE WHY THE NAME OF THE BAND IS THE LEGENDARY PINK DOTS AND MOST OF OUR READERS WILL HAVE THE SAME QUESTION TOO, WILL YOU TELL US?

Our first piano had spots of pink nail varnish on the keys which we referred to as those ‘legendary pink dots’. It had a ring to it…

WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE BAND, ANY LIVE GIGS, ANY OTHER RELEASE BY THE DOTS OR AS A SOLO?

Planning tours right now, including a show in Athens next February… Recording a lot of solo material in the last months and posting it on our Bandcamp pages. I also made an album together with the Pink Dots’ violin player from back in the 80s (Patrick Q Wright) entitled, ‘The Scarlet Trail of Stinging Tears’.

EDWARD KA-SPEL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, LAST WORDS ON YOU!

Ah, no words…..

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fffffg.home.blog- Interview with Edward Ka-Spel

On February 16th 2020, shortly before a certain virus would drastically change our lives, I sat down with Edward Ka-Spel, singer and songwriter of experimental Psychedelia group The Legendary Pink Dots, right before the band’s concert in Vienna. We talked about the current Pink Dots album, the band’s music making process, what current music Edward listens to, and much more. After almost two years, the band has released a new entry in the Chemical Playschool series, and an album titled The Museum Of Human Happiness has been announced, with a short teaser being available on Bandcamp for a while, but it has apparently been taken down again.

How’s the tour going so far?

Really good, we sold out a couple of shows which we didn’t expect to. Because, you know, the tour has this tag of the 40 year anniversary, which is getting a lot of people out to see us. Also, we don’t tour Europe so much these days, so I think that’s making a difference.

Any major hiccups or did everything go well?

Just technical stuff, here and there. The technology’s sometimes very challenging. But, you know, we usually get it to behave, after a while.

You already mentioned the anniversary – congratulations on that by the way. So, we already got the live album, and The 40 Year Scratch, is there anything more planned release-wise?

Oh yeah, we’re actually halfway through the next Chemical Playschool edition, which has actually taken quite a long time. Originally, we wanted to release in time for the American tour, but it just wasn’t really working. Got a couple of guest player on that one as well, got Patrick (Q. Wright) playing on a couple of tracks, and a friend from Paris, Quentin on a few tracks, but it needs a few months still. Because the Chemical Playschools are like new albums, we put as much time and craft into those as any new album.

You actually worked for two years on Angel In The Detail, that’s a pretty long time for you, how did it come to that? Was it planned or did it just happen?

It’s the perfectionist instinct in the band at the moment. I suppose it did take two years, but there was a time when we basically put it on ice for a little while, and we worked on other projects. We also had the tour in 2018, and everything stops for that. But indeed, the first note was struck two years before it came out. There was a pool of something like 40 songs I think, and we zeroed in on the ones we wanted to develop for the new album. There’s a lot in the can, actually.

Can you describe your process of making music a bit? Do you still improvise a lot in the studio?

Oh sure, it’s one of the nicest ways to make music, very heavy editing goes on after the improvisation. You can improvise for an hour, and then you might just extract three minutes for the album, but if it’s three glorious minutes, then it’s worth it. I work on music every day, usually, for about six or seven hours, so a lot must come from that.

For sure! What I’ve noticed is that the album seems more structured overall, compared to the previous albums. You have some straight up Pop tracks. How did it come to that?

Yes, we’re out here at that moment, nothing more contrived than that, really. It felt like a strong record that we were making here, and indeed, these psychedelic Pop songs are kind of fun, we hadn’t done anything like that for a lot of years, so it was nice to work on something that constructed, maybe something like The Kinkswould’ve made. So, there was that element involved as well. But there’s also the stranger tracks too, it’s a voyage.

One track from the album which kind of stands out to me is Red Flag, it’s probably my favourite on the album. What inspired it, how did it end up being so long? Where is that woman’s voice from?

That track is my favourite as well! We’re gonna play it tonight as well. I cannot actually tell you what the lyrics are about because I don’t know it myself. It feels deeply personal, it’s a scenario, like putting myself in a place, in a world that’s empty, and I was part of the reason for that emptiness, as everybody else is the reason for that emptiness. It’s a song for this time, but it’s a very bleak view of the world’s situation right now, and where it all goes.

You have that sample of a woman talking somewhere in the middle of the song. Where is that from?

That is a piece of extreme editing of a Christian woman reciting the 23rd psalm. We placed the words in a different order.

I heard on the live album that you’re actually saying those worlds yourself on stage, would you say they’re essential to the song?

Oh, absolutely, 100%. That was very deliberate, it goes with the theme of the song.

You release seasonal specials for Halloween and Christmas every year, how long do you usually spend and these, and how long do you record them in advance?

They usually start months before, for the 2019 Halloween special we were actually on tour when that came out. So, I prepared that when I was on holiday. The 2019 Christmas special was much closer to Christmas, we were actually looking for a good Christmas story, but from being on tour in the American desert, my head was full of black images. It was very prominent in my memories, and it felt like this is the way, this is the scenario that I want Christmas to be.

Do you find it easy to come up with stuff for the specials?

Sometimes it just drops right out of the sky, like Chrystopia (from the 2018 Christmas special) that was a very spontaneous story that I wrote. Sometimes you have to works harder on it, because every story has to have a very original twist to it, something has to happen as a complete fluke. I think this song to Santa was something my little daughter said, she basically misspelt Satan and I was like “woah! I like that”, so that was the story.

Thats great! Sometimes you get inspiration from where you don’t expect it.

Oh, she can inspire a lot of things, she did a painting recently called “The Museum Of Human Happiness”. I love that theme, so now there’s a song called that, which is not released yet.

You had a very productive phase from the early 2010s onwards up to 2016 or so, with four albums released in 2013 alone. Are you taking things slower now?

It’s not that we’re actually taking things slower, what’s happened now is every bit as much as there was back then, we’re just waiting to put it out, we don’t want to overload people, cause it does get a bit like that sometimes. It’s like, the next thing, and the next thing, and people can’t take all of that in at once. So, on our Bandcamp page, there is a line, where the private releases are, it’s like our vault. And it’s crammed with music.

Are you still happy with the current lineup?

It’s my favourite, actually! Everybody’s just so committed, I feel it gets stronger and stronger. It’s ten years now with this lineup, there’s a great understanding, everybody’s on the same page.

How do you select songs to play live from your vast catalog? Do you have any favourites?

I tend to really wanna play the new things, because they’re so fresh, and they’re so vibrant and exciting. If something is really going well, like an old song, that still hasn’t reached its peak, and is building and building, a song like Disturbance – we’ve been playing that a couple of years now, that song really seems to be rising, which is strange – we’ll keep playing it. And once we reach a peak, then we go on to something else. We’re playing just the live song in the current set, because the lyrics just feel relevant. Otherwise we tend to not compromise much in this way, with the old songs. It’s just what we feel like at the moment.

So, you have no particular favourites, it’s just situational, what you feel at the moment?

There are songs I really want to play live one day, songs we’ve never played before. Like, You & Me & Rainbows, or Stoned Obituary. It would be good to try, that is a little bit of a project in the background, to put these songs in a live context.

How important is playing live to you? Would you say you prefer it to studio work, or do you have no preference either way?

No preference, really. I love playing live, it’s really different to working in the studio. I love the communication live. The show last night, in Prague, it was the best of the tour, by a long way, because we got so much back from the audience. That’s something you can never have in the studio. But I do love the experimentation in the studio. It doesn’t matter what you do in the studio. Sometimes, an apple falls from a tree in the studio, and you know, this apple has to be consumed. And when something sounds like it could be good, but not right now, I’ll put it on the backburner, and I’ll return to it when it feels like the right moment. And that works for me, because often when you do go back to something, you think it’s not really there, you get this eureka moment, like: “what was I thinking, putting this on the backburner! I should’ve worked on it back then!” But you shouldn’t have, actually, because now it’s the right time, now you’re excited. Whereas you weren’t excited back then, when you came up with the idea.

Since it’s your anniversary right now, do you think about the future? Do you think you could still release music and play live, in, say, ten years?

I’d give a shot, why not.

Alright, I have a more detailed/niche question about a song from The Crushed Velvet Apocalypse (Play It Again Sam 1990), The Pleasure Palace. The lyrics for that are pretty strange and weren’t included in the booklet, why is that?

The lyrics were completely improvised. We improvised every night, it was whatever was going through my head, hence you get these odd little snickers like “don’t hit me with the wooden fish” because we had a wooden fish in the studio, a percussive instrument, I was spotting it and it just seemed like a reasonable comment at that particular moment.

About the Chemical Playschool series: there are some gaps in the numbering, and I’ve heard that you consider the missing numbers unlucky numbers. Is that true?

Yes, it’s true, there is a number that I cannot mention, nothing has that number in our history. I’m a superstitious person. There was a Chemical Playschool 5 & 6, but it got broken up, spread across other releases at that time, I’m not sure why. It couldn’t be released as Chemical Playschool any longer, because some things went onto Basilisk and some went on to other cassette releases around that time.

Let’s talk about collaborations. You’ve mentioned in the past that you want to collaborate with David Tibet, is there any chance of that still happening?

I love David and his music very much, but there are no plans for a collaboration. There never really has been. We’re too much in the same phone booth, we’re both singers, both writers, and want to hang on to our own words. With Steven Stapleton, yes, there actually will be an album with him one of these days, we’ve talked about it a lot.

Would that be a solo or with The Dots?

Just me and Steve, solo.

Since you’re constantly making music, do you still find the time to check out new releases? And if so, do you have any favourite albums from the current or last year?

Yeah, a band I’ve been listening to lots recently is 65daysofstatic, I really like them.

I do try to listen to a lot of things. I listen to a lot of Supersilent, from Norway. I do indeed keep my head to the ground, it’s a really good time for music right now, interesting things are happening. I also love Chino Amobi, Paradiso, it’s insane. It’s come out of Hip Hop, in a way, but it’s Sound Collage. That fascinates me, when a genre twists into something so radical.

source: Benjamin Steinacher
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December 3, 2021

INTERVIEW: Edward Ka-Spel of the Legendary Pink Dots

Edward Ka-Spel is best known as the lead singer, keyboard and electronics player, songwriter and co-founder of the band The Legendary Pink Dots, in which he was initially known as D’Archangel, Prophet Q’Sepel and other pseudonyms. He has also released numerous solo albums (initially featuring other members of the Legendary Pink Dots, and including contributions from Steven Stapleton), and has worked in various side projects, including The Tear Garden (with cEvin Key of Skinny Puppy), and Mimir (with Phil Knight, Christoph Heemann, Jim O’Rourke and others).

We recently had the pleasure of chatting Edward about his new album, gear & recording, the scene in the 80’s, the future of live music, the letter “P’, and more. – Darkest Wave Magazine

You’ve recently released a new album entitled “Prints Of Darkness” which is fantastic, by the way. Tell us a little about the inspirations that birthed this collection of songs.

It’s been the strangest of years, and my antenna is always up, hoping to detect some small light in all that darkness . I guess the music keeps me sane ( just about) as it’s a scenario that is strangely inspirational. Nevertheless I wish I was writing the songs from memory rather than daily reality.

I’m fascinated with how artist’s, like yourself, go about writing and recording their music. How do you go about this process and do you record in a home studio or do you prefer traditional recording studios?

All home recorded. The tools are good these days and, without the spectre of a crippling studio bill hovering over my head, it means I can be as perfectionist as I want to be.

“Prints Of Darkness” is filled with amazing instrumentation. Particularly the synth work and electronic aspect. What instruments do you play and are you the sole musician performing on this release?

I’m a Synthesizer player. If a line or idea proves to be beyond my abilities, I’ll happily programme it – but only after 99 attempts at actually playing it.

What are some of your favorite instruments that you use in your music? Are there any instruments that you feel you just simply couldn’t live without?

I tend to mix and match a lot of virtual synthesisers, but I do also love to spice things up with devices on my “analogue table”. I don’t have much space, so I’m thrilled with weird and wonderful contraptions that take up as many square centimetres as a pot of coffee.

You have a massive catalog going all the way back to 1981. How did you initially begin playing music and what was the music scene like during that time?

Things were very homemade back at the start of 80s. The whole punk thing allowed many of us who had little money for instruments to “ follow the dream” – even if the dream was no more than making a cassette album. Of course, everything depended on snail mail , so it inevitably meant many visits to the post office.

I had the pleasure of seeing The Legendary Pink Dots live, several times, way back in the early 90’s. Do you feel that the live music landscape has changed since then?

For us, the live landscape ebbed and flowed. As the 90s went on, the audiences grew in the US and Eastern Europe but shrank in West Europe. The first decade of the 2000s were hard, crowds thinned out .. but around 2010, the people started to return. By the beginning of 2020, things were positively healthy again just about everywhere- but then Covid happened.

We’ve all spent a year quarantined and without live shows. How do you think COVID-19 will affect live music and the way shows are done moving forward?

When ( if?) live music returns, I think there will be an explosion of starved spectators. I’m just worried that they will not be allowed in.

Some shows are starting to happen in various places. Do you have any plans or any shows / tours in the works for later this year?

We tried. Nothing possible yet. I’m also living in the U.K. where Brexshit just happened… it just makes things so much harder.

You’ve played shows all over the world for decades, Is there a city you particularly love performing in?

Paris. Prague. Portland. Interesting… all the cities start with the letter ‘P’.

What are some projects you’re working on that we might get the chance to hear soon?

An album with Patrick who used to play violin with The Dots is nearing completion. The new Pink Dots, “ The Museum Of Human Happiness “ is at the mastering stage. Actually there’s hours in the can…

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Source: Darkest Wave